It’s been a week.

Posted: November 15, 2016 in Miscellaneous, Musings, Personal
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It’s been a week and we’re all still alive.  There’s been deep grieving and deep joy.  It’s time to move on.  Let’s look at a few inconvenient truths about this election and politics in general in the spirit of trying to bring a hearty dash of reason and healing to the table.

If you voted for or against a candidate solely or primarily because s/he is white/black/male/female/other/gay/Hispanic/non-gay/non-Hispanic/Democrat/Republican/Independent/Green Party/Tea Party, etc.,  you’re missing the point and are part of the problem.  I heard in this election “It’s time for a woman to be president.”  Great.  If you voted for Clinton because she’s a woman, (I’m going to use all last names here in the interest of equality), would you have voted for Condelezza Rice?  She’s both woman and black, so you could scored twice.  If you voted for Trump because he’s white, would you have voted for Biden?  Step back, take a few breaths, and be honest. And while I’m on this, guess what?  Blacks (and Hispanics) and women can be conservatives and shouldn’t be attacked for it, as if by race and gender they’re supposed to automatically be Democrats.  By the same token, Christians, small town people, and farmers might actually be Democrats.  I know.  Radical stuff.  I hope you were sitting down.If you believe that people who voted against Hillary hate women, that those who in previous elections voted against Obama hate blacks, those who voted against Trump hate whites (or men with bad hair), you’d be right part of the time, but you’d mostly be wrong, dangerously wrong.  You’d also cut off any discussion about what really matters:  issues.

Naturally there are always disagreements on issues:  what the real issues are, what the most important ones are, how to deal with any of them, and so on.  But when what I mention in the two paragraphs above comes first, there’s virtually nothing else.  We never get to the issues.

Get used to the idea that people can disagree on issues without being bad or ignorant.  Pejoratives and foul language divide, not unify, stifle dialogue, not encourage it. We have to try to understand the other person’s position, whether or not we agree with it, otherwise we’re doomed, politically and individually.

Let me use a hot-button example to try to explain what I mean.  Let’s use abortion.  Try really, really hard to turn off emotions; just read and think.

The pro-abortion side contends is it’s the woman’s right to choose, asks what about women who are raped, says that having an unwanted child can ruin a life.  The time that a fetus becomes a person tends to be a bit hazy or not mentioned.  Therefore, if a fetus is only child when s/he hits the air, “it” can be gotten rid of at any time the mother chooses. The focus is on the mother first.

 People against abortion tend to believe that life starts at or close to conception and that the unborn child is a child, a person, throughout the pregnancy, not just at birth.  Therefore, aborting that person is taking a life.  The focus is on the child first.

 Are those two views reconcilable in any way?  If a child isn’t human until birth, it doesn’t matter what’s done to it pre-birth and if it is a person that whole time, how can killing it be justified?  It’s difficult enough to talk about all this if name-calling and hate aren’t involved, impossible when they are.  Is there no middle ground?  People on both sides care. The primary focus of their care is different.

 About 25 years ago, Clinton said abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare.”  It’s safe and legal, but certainly not rare.  If it were all three, there might be some ground of coming together.  Women who have abortions, no matter what they say, often are haunted by it for years.  So don’t think all abortions are thoughtlessly and blithely done.  Understand that a teen who finds herself pregnant may be frightened and worried about how this will impact her.  On the other hand, why would anyone think that concern for the unborn child is bad?  “Choice” is a word thrown around.  Perhaps the choice could come by abstinence until marriage, by use of birth control, by vasectomies or having tubes tied, by choosing to give the baby up for adoption.  There are many people willing to adopt children who have to go overseas to find them.  There is a right to picket abortion sites, just as there’s a right for free access and not being harassed.  If you think abortion is fine, why be afraid to let a pregnant woman have a ultrasound and see the child before making a decision?  Shouldn’t they be given all options?  If a woman decides to have an abortion, do you think vilifying her will help?  And let’s not even talk about a father’s right.

 I could go on, but you get the idea, I hope.  Standing on literal sides screaming at one another over figurative sides only hardens the battle lines and bad feelings.  Recognize that those on the other side are people, too.

A few other facts:

The election was legal. Protests if you like; don’t riot.

The electoral college is in place for a reason.  If you don’t really understand it, go here:  If you try to change the system every time your candidate loses, don’t you think that will happen from the other side when your candidate wins?.

Every person who runs for president or is in Congress is rich regardless of party.  Bi-partisan law ensured that will continue.  If we don’t like that law, we need to lobby our elected officials to change it.  Every elected official is influenced by special interest groups, either the ones you like or the ones you don’t.  It will always be that way unless the elected official has a spine.

Most news these days isn’t news.  It’s opinion.  There used to an opinion page in every newspaper.  There rest of the reporting was “just the facts, Ma’am.”  Joe Friday is gone and so is most of the reporting.  It’s unacknowledged opinion.  If you think that celebrities know more about politics or anything else (other than acting/singing) than anyone else, grow up.  They’re entitled to their opinions, they’re entitled to talk about them, even though the “news” gives them much more coverage than anyone else.  Just don’t look at them as political pundits.  Think those who threatened to leave will. No way!  They make too much money and get too much adulation to leave. It didn’t happen when Bush was re-elected and it won’t happen now.

The internet and Facebook are at once marvelous and terrible dangerous.  It’s difficult to ascertain what’s true and what isn’t.  It’s easy to be vicious, vulgar, and nasty when you don’t have to face the person you’re attacking.  It’s impossible to take back those attacks even if you delete them.  Before you post something, especially if it seems unbelievable, either don’t post it or look into it.  Do you really think Bill Gates got rich by giving everyone who “shared” this post $100?  And that’s just a ridiculous, not a dangerous example.  Before you respond in anger to someone else’s post, get off of FB or away from the article, and do something else for a bit. Then think how you can make your point winsomely rather than disgustingly.  If you can’t, keep quiet.

In this election specifically, realize that the people who didn’t vote for Clinton aren’t stupid and whatever other insult you throw at them just because they chose a different candidate.  They’re tired of being insulted, tired of being marginalized, tired of policies they don’t see as helpful or beneficial.  In most cases, it has nothing to do with race or gender.  It has to do with a vision for the country, with jobs, taxation, spending, education (or a lack thereof), or a combination of these and/or other reasons.  If you voted for Trump, give those on the Clinton side of the vote the same consideration.  More people crossed lines last week than you’d think.

Trump hasn’t yet taken office!  We don’t know what he’ll do.  Just because he chooses conservative cabinet members and people with whom to work, doesn’t mean they or he are evil.  Clinton would have chosen liberals as did Obama.  That’s what presidents do!!!

Now is the time for Republicans to get off their duffs and do something and not just side automatically with big business or against the environment.  But know that Democrats who were crying “Obstructionist!!” at every turn, will now morph into those doing the obstructing.  They shouldn’t assume that all big business is bad or that animals always trump humans.  Wouldn’t it be nice if all these people would actually look for places where they could come together and do some agreeing, not just spend our money like mad men?

That reminds me.  If you say, “The government will pay for it”, that money comes out of your pocket and mine.  There’s a LOT of money being collected.  There’s a lot of money being wasted.  Those 1%-er’s?  They and the top 10% pay almost all of the income taxes taken in.  As far as taxes, if Trump cheated on his taxes, that’s one thing.  If he just didn’t pay more than he legally had to, give him a break.  Do you send in money you don’t have to to the IRS to fritter away on parties?  I certainly don’t!

Finally, on the personal level.  What makes me want to throw up isn’t the result of any election.  It’s that so many are willing to publicly savage people they thought of as friends as well as people they don’t even know.  Not Facebook friends, but people they know in person and love but have no unfriended, whether on FB or in person.  If we as a people are willing to do these sorts of things, what the hell is the matter with us and how the hell do we plan to continue as a nation?

Full disclosure:  I want to hear from you.  I love comments and I don’t have a problem with comments that disagree with something I wrote.  I will delete any comments that are vulgar or nasty.

  1. Allan G. Smorra says:

    Well said, Janet. Fear is our greatest challenge for the next four years. All of us can get through it together.

    • Allan, I’m quite sure there are fearful people after every election, whether a large segment of the population or small. There are no perfect candidates and thus there are always going to be problems. But we need badly to look at one another as fellow humans who, generally, aren’t evil. Yes, there are extremists on both sides of the political spectrum and we should all denounce them. But overall, all of us want what’s best for our country. We just have different views about what is best and how to get there. Thanks for reading and taking the time to comment.

  2. The way the road to the election was conducted was painful, embarrassing, and I just wanted it to stop. It stopped when citizens went to the polls. Now the aftermath is embarrassing and painful, and I want people to grow up and give the new person a chance because that is how it is done every four years. My personal problem was I didn’t like or respect either candidate, but the world is bigger than just me so I moved on. I also think that some of these protests are fueled by idiots who lean towards violence in any situation and protestors who travel around protesting whatever as an occupation. I have had to stop watching national news because it is as you state opinion, fear mongering and entertainment comments but definitely not news. As for FB, well, I think an individual chooses to engage in the banter or not. I choose not to engage and have no stress from it. Of course, I’m the minority person my age who has a personal FB page and manages two other pages but spends less than ten minutes a week on there. I think FB started with social ideas and benefits and has sunk to an online sales tool for businesses and a 24/7 drama for the rest. I guess I took you statement that you want comments too seriously, Janet. 🙂 Good post just hope those who should read it are and adjust accordingly.

    • I agree with you down the line, Judy, and I really appreciate your thoughtful comments. I love FB for the ability to be connected easily with others, but I agree that it’s sunk. It’s all in how we manage it, as in so much else. During the election cycle, I’ve had to get in and out quickly, trying to ignore the animus and outright stupidity in some cases. Have a wonderful Tuesday.

  3. Good morning Janet,

    While I appreciated the first half of this essay, as it appealed to and was written with a good amount of restraint and objectivity, the last paragraphs reflected emotions that, it seemed to me, you initially stated you wished to keep out of the discussion. I’m sorry that happened. I was nodding my head yes, in understanding what you were presenting, though I may not agree with all you wrote.

    There is common ground.

    Name calling is unnecessary and a bullying, which comes from fear and the wish to intimidate comes from the unknown and change, worries about losses, and the like. .

    We all have these fears. Fight or flight, “puffing up” one’s chest is only one response to fear. It is an archaic, or a more youthful, response to life’s changes. Adults, as you intimated, talk it out, work things through, agree to disagree, compromise when possible, disregard extremes, step away when conflicts get too heated, and in the case of nations – use diplomacy and other more humane interventions. I am going to leave the concept of war out of this discussion for the moment as that is a subject unto itself.

    The other comment I want to make is in regard to money. Yes, it appears you are correct that the wealthiest people pay the greatest percentage of individual taxes. In my opinion, as well they should, for many reasons, all of which I will not be able to expound upon now, but first and foremost being that the greatest concentration of individual’s money rests with the wealthy, so the greatest amounts would paid be by them. The person who earns a S1.00 may, or can, only pay a nickel (otherwise she might starve to death), while the person who earns a million assuming they only pay the same 5% (this is another long debate) pays $50K. Seems like a lot, it is a lot, but it is the same 5%, and the woman who earns this can still live fairly well off. When numbers of those who pay 50K are added up, this number is this is going to be a lot more percentage-wise than the others who are less wealthy – even though the high wage earners may be a much smaller percentage of the population.

    Last point for the moment, if you review federal income from taxes, individual taxes account for about 46% of all taxes, while corporations, which are our largest wealth accumulators, only pay about 11%. These entities need to pay a fair share in taxes. Yes, Trump may have legally used the tax codes. No, I am not accusing Trump of anything in this case.

    The wealthy, the CEO’s and corporate boards, the politicians, and the lobbyists have written tax codes for their own benefit, and in turn cheated America out of infrastructure and negatively affected the environment which they share in, refusing to pay their part in replenishing.

    Who will stand up for the poor, and for this country’s infrastructure and environment, both of which do not have the money or resources to stand up for themselves to aforementioned. And who will say that their 5% is not a greater contribution because it truly diminishes a poorer person’s ability to survive than the wealthy’s 5%. Does nott the New Testament note the following?

    Luke: [21:1] As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. [2] He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. [3] “I tell you the truth,” he said, “this poor widow has put in more than all the others. [4] All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”

    I look forward to your discursive response, if you would like.


    • Good morning, Randy. First of all please understand that I wasn’t saying that people who make little should pay more income tax, just that the rich are paying quite a lot of of the income tax, which isn’t the only tax obviously. There are sales taxes and other taxes. Let’s also note that many people with lots of money and many with not so much are very charitable, giving to organizations which help those on the margins or even below. Do charities or government do a better job of taking care of people at a low cost? That discussion and what corporations should pay is too large a topic for now.

      We should all stand up for the poor. We should give them an education which will allow them to get a decent job. We should provide an atmosphere where jobs can be created. Government doesn’t create jobs, but it can create conditions favorable to people creating jobs. Of course, there are government jobs, but the only way you get more is to expand government, something that takes away freedoms, costs all of us money, and isn’t a good thing.

      There are many people making what most of us view as obscene amounts of money. These include lots of athletes and sports team owners as well as the usual suspects. Any CEO could say, as Trump is saying, “I won’t take a salary” or “I’ll only take 1 million instead of $250 million.” Golden parachutes? Let’s not even go there.

      I have to get ready for work now but hopefully I’ve allayed some of the concerns you expressed. I fear for the divide I see so clearly illuminated right now and its consequences for our country. The discussion we’re having here is what I would hope would happen in many other places and in the same tone of voice. Thanks for taking the time to comment and engage! Blessings on your day.


  4. thirdeyemom says:

    I agree that this election was conducting terribly, was shameful and embarrassing on both sides. I’m a Democrat and always will be. I have family members who are Republican and can side with some of the economic issues with republicans. But in my heartfelt opinion this election was different than any other before. Never ever had a candidate said truly racist remarks filled with hatred. Never had a candidate called his opposition on live TV that “nasty woman”. Selecting someone to fill a position in his key cabinet who clearly has ties to the Alt Right is beyond forgivable. If he wanted the nation to come together, why on earth would he chose someone clearly racist and stop appealing to the white supremacists? Why wouldn’t he denounce it? To me that is unforgivable and although my words are strong here he will never ever be respected by me or called my President. I don’t care if he is republican or Democrat. If a democrat would have incited such hatred and fear I never would have voted for them. I am not going to walk around protesting but I am going to fight for my belief in freedom, justice and liberty to all. It doesn’t matter who is president to me or really what party. I am fighting for a loving, free and welcoming country not one that promotes hate.

  5. thirdeyemom says:

    And one more comment. People on both sides are being despicable and full of hate. I just don’t understand. It is shameful.

    On my end I have already decided to join even more advocacy groups to support human rights, climate change and tolerance.

    If people would get off the couch and Facebook and actually fight for their beliefs think of the difference!

    • Nicole, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I certainly agree that there has been much in this election that’s shameful. One of the reasons I did this post was because I, too, don’t understand the hate, even if I can understand anger a/o disappointment. Rioting only hurts others and wins no one to a cause. Joining groups that support your interests is a great way to be involved, no matter what side of the aisle. I always appreciate the groups you share on your blog.


      • thirdeyemom says:

        Yes so true! Rioting for any cause is harmful. Peaceful protests are what a democracy is about such as the high school kids who have walked out of school to march like the ones in our neighborhood. People have been so mean on each side. I guess I will never understand why the campaign was even run so filled with hate. Why hateful things to incite hatred and intolerance against others was said by our new President. It is unexplainable to me. I feel like our country -not just Trunp- but everyone on both sides who has been so hateful has taken a huge step back. It is very disturbing. Kids are telling other kids to go home and they don’t belong here. All sorts of scary stuff is happening. I just hope it gets better.

      • The hate is one of the reasons I wrote the post, Nicole, and I completely agree that it’s unacceptable, no matter what the source. I’d like to see everyone denounce the hate, the riots, etc. I guess we can only start with ourselves and our sphere of influence, which is what I think both of us are saying and doing.


  6. Norm 2.0 says:

    As I would expect from you Janet, this was a well-written and reasoned argument that was stated eloquently. Well done.
    Now, let me tell you why you’re wrong 😀
    I’m convinced that in your two-party system the days of meaningful discussion on the issues are long gone. The marketers and strategists have long ago figured out that it really is as simple as convincing enough of the electorate that your opponent is evil (or at least worse than you) then by default, you become the solution.
    But you are right in that there is no more constructive debate or discussion. Everyone digs in and accuses the other for their obvious stupidity because they just won’t see that I’m right and they’re wrong. We need to find a way to get back to a respect for differing opinions and a willingness to listen to and then understand where those opinions are coming from, so that meaningful positive changes can be implemented for the benefit of more than just a few.
    Change will only start when the politicians stop talking over everyone’s heads and start listening to the people they are supposedly elected to serve.
    Have a great day 🙂

    • Norm, I think that the lack of respect permeates not only politics and, unfortunately, you can’t legislate respect and getting along. I agree that politicians need to listen to their constituents and people in general need to actually listen before they talk and then discuss rather than argue mindlessly. I think we’re on the same page and what you talk about is one of the reasons I wrote the post. Thanks so much for weighing in.


  7. Hi J. From a European perspective: People this side of the pond are aghast that a person who has such obvious flaws, as perceived by Europeans, has actually won. Incredulity prevails. Not sure if you saw on social media the picture of a sign outside a London pub in the days after the result – ‘All Americans entering must be accompanied by an adult’ – that sort of sums it up on this side of the pond. Condescending maybe, but heartfelt.
    However, the die is now cast and the deed is done. The behaviour of large numbers since the result was announced, seems to lend even more credence to the English pub sign. Interesting in recent days to be reminded of the reactions of many people when a B-Movie actor won a previous election. The dire predictions of those days did not come to pass. I am also personally reminded of an article I read at that time wherein the journalist speculated, giving many examples, that evil deeds rarely emanates from a person with a good sense of humour. And say what you will of Trump, he certainly has a good sense of humour. I was an ardent opponent of The Donald, but let’s chillax now that that he’s won, and give the guy a chance to prove what he can do. I am also reminded of the quotation accredited to the Irish politician Edmund Burke from 1770 – “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”. But now is not the time for not ‘doing nothing’. Let’s give the guy a break, and wait for a time when we perceive that evil is actually prevailing – it is unfair to make such a deduction when the guy hasn’t even been sworn in, let alone taken any actual decision.

    Good luck with it all.

    • Excellent points, MB, and thanks very much for the reblog. I hope the post was what you expected. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to see what actually happens as opposed to what we might think will happen. So far, the possible cabinet members seem quite diverse. The Burke quote is apt for all government and people at all times and yes, I did see the sign you refer to at the first part of your post. Very much appreciate your comments and support.


  8. Reblogged this on HX Report and commented:
    Interesting post from an American blogger friend of MB, about the Trump win. Worth a read.

  9. jan says:

    It’s the incivility of the election that got to me. How supposedly good people could vote for a man who incites hate – can’t reconcile myself to that. I don’t unfriend them but I feel incredibly discouraged and hopeless in their presence. Know what I mean?

    • jan, there’s was enough incivility on both sides to last for ten lifetimes and yes, it was depressing. Hopefully we can get past that and try to find some common ground as the country goes forward. Thanks for taking part in the discussion.


  10. Su Leslie says:

    A thoughtful and heart-felt post Janet. Thank you for articulating what so many are thinking, clearly and rationally. I’ve spent the last few months watching your election with increasing horror and most of last week in a state of anxiety and sadness. But then nature ripped my country apart — with the very real threat of more to come — and I guess my attention has been refocused. I always enjoy your posts Janet, and this was no exception. Su.

    • I can see why the earthquake/s would be distracting, Su. Your country will be doing literal rebuilding while ours will hopefully be doing other sorts of rebuilding. I has a suspicion that much of Trump’s bombast is just that, but we shall see. There are plenty of conservatives in Congress who are very leery of him, so despite the appearance of “all one way”, it isn’t so. I appreciate you being part of the discussion and thank you for the lovely comments about my posts. I do so appreciate them.

  11. Thank you, Janet.
    I have read a lot this past week, to understand, to hear both sides, not to take any (even though I obviously do for personal reasons) but I truly want to understand.
    Your points are very well-made and consider both sides, which most people tend to forget. There’s a reason for everything.
    Now is the time to hear out those reasons, talk peacefully about them (with friends and others), to understand each other and most importantly to act with wisdom so a better future comes out of it.
    And I talk as if I was American and/or living in the US, which I’m not; but friends and family live there, will live with the outcome of this election. Also because, what happened there is not an isolated act but follows others and are prior to others which will impact me as a French person or as a resident of Mexico.
    All things are linked. We are linked. I want that link to change for the better, not for worse…

    • Your middle paragraph is so important and one of the reasons I wrote my post (very, very carefully, I might add. Reason, peace, talking, wisdom…those are key words. I would add waiting, to see what actually happens as opposed to what we think might. There are lots of conservatives who don’t agree with Trump down the line, as you could see in the pre-election insanity, so I think there will be resistance within the party as well as from without. Finding common issues and common ground will be key.

      Thanks for adding to the discussion!


      • You’re right again. With his campaign, his behavior and his words, Trump has unleashed a bunch of feelings in everyone. It is wise to see what will happen and compare to what he said he would do. Maybe we’ll have (good) surprises… fingers crossed…

  12. Hello, Janet,

    Words. Words matter.

    So with the utmost care, I pick my words, each and every day. I consider the consequences. And there are always consequences.

    I wish I could make all those lukewarm, nose-holding Trump supporters see: The hateful campaign rhetoric of the man they helped elect doesn’t magically go POOF in the night after the election.

    No. It lingers. It stains. It metastasizes, inspiring more acts of dangerous stupidity.

    Repeating myself: A nation fueled by hate, resentment, bigotry, and misogyny stinks. So speak up. Speak out. Disrespect will not be tolerated. Spark my words.


    • Theadora, words do matter, which is why I wrote my post. Whoever said “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never harm me” was just wrong. I would say that I think there is much less hatred, bigotry, et al than you think. The people saying or doing things fueled by those words get all the attention. We should all be denouncing those things, no matter where they come from. I hope that in the upcoming months, actions will speak louder than words from all of us. But I will still condemn rioting, no matter where it originates. Thanks so much for your thoughtful and heartfelt comment!


      • thirdeyemom says:

        Janet: I’m still thinking about this topic and wanted to read more of the thread of comments. This has been very thought provoking. My one comment in response to above is where you say the people saying or doing things field by those words get all the attention. My biggest issue is that Trump himself, who will be the President, said them! He said it on TV, in the news, at the debate, and then selected Bannon. What is he doing? He has the immense opportunity to unite people now despite all the unforgivable things he has said and done to women, minorities and immigrants. But it does not look like he is going to change his game and that to me is unforgivable and worth fighting for.

      • thirdeyemom says:

        Oh one more thing: definitions not rioting for! #lovetrumpshate

  13. Emilio Pasquale says:

    I want to reply to your post but do not have the time now. Basically, I agree with everything you’ve said here. I try to attack everything with a bit of humor- my defense mechanism- but could find little amusement in the past election year. And a half. Or was it two years? Anyway, I will be out of touch the rest of today. Hope I get back on here tomorrow to add a few thoughts. Great post, though. 🙂

    • Thanks for dropping in, Emilio. I’ll look forward to any further response. Humor is certainly something I like, if well-intentioned and not vulgar or hurtful. Hope your day goes well.


      • Emilio Pasquale says:

        You changed your name? ajnet? (Don’t worry. I’ll fix it fr you!) 🙂 I used to be suggestive maybe. But never vulgar! As for hurtful, my dad was very sarcastic and my humor was the same- until I realized how hurt a lot of his comments made me feel. And I was able to change that.

      • Drat! I missed ajnet. My flying fingers type that every so often. Thanks for changing it. Sarcasm can be fun and effective, but it’s quite easy to turn it into a weapon, so it’s got to be under control.


  14. Emilio Pasquale says:

    I thought I was reading the above comment on my wordpress when I said I could fix your name. Oh, well. This post of yours is very well written. It makes a lot of sense and there is nothing I find in it to disagree with. But, you say that every person who runs for president or is in Congress is rich regardless of party. I’m not sure how you calculate “rich”. My feeling is they might not be rich themselves but they certainly have money behind them. Probably by those same special interest groups you mention. I also think that if any elected official does exhibit any suggestion of a spine, they will be an ex- elected official as soon as those same special interest group tht first helped them get elected.

    • Because of the McCain-Feingold law, I think that politicians at the high levels are rich, but you’re correct they they also have groups behind them. I agree mostly about the spine, although there have been some who could carry it off. Better to get new people in every four years who have spines than forever politicians. Thanks for coming back and commenting.


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